Best to reply to Carl's last comment here in separate post because there is much not understood that everyone can benefit from. Carl's in white, mine in yellow.
The literature does not say what I should be producing, it says what was produced during real world condition independent testing, not the same tests that determines nameplate capacity or power at standard test conditions. I agree market dominated polycrystaline technology hardly ever deliver rated power as we seldom have standard test conditions in real world. However recent devolopments in photovoltaic technology is closing the gap with inmproved thermal coefficients and better aborbtion of diffused and low level light ei winter. Research tandem junction amorphous silicon. These panels have half the name plate efficiency as traditional solar panels but will out produce and provide a much more levelized production curve over an entire year. This technology can produce 1350kwh of energy over one year per installed kw.
I'll believe that when I see it.
And sell power at production cost? Be realistic, that will never happen. Unless you produce something yourself you will be purchasing it from someone else with a profit margin built into the cost. No one works for free and noone would invest capital into nuclear plants or coal refineries or anything else for that matter without a profitable return.
We produced power at cost for 80 years under government control. It's only since deregulation that profit became part of the cost to consumers. It needs to go back to not-for-profit.
The $0.802 rate is heaviliy dependent on the capital cost of equipment and is the rate used to get he ball rolling on alternative energy manfucaturing in Ontario. Increased manufacturing will lower the price of equipment which will be reflected with lower future fit rates as is clearly defined in the program description. Sooner or later, alternative energy costs will be on par with then below conventional energy resources but that wont happen unless it is invested in now.
Yeah, right. We've heard that before and it never happens. Wind and solar will never be viable alternative power sources because their Capacity Value is ZERO. Your power is not worth 80c. We have a glut of power, which is why the spot price is around 3c. We are paying you 80c to send your power to the US.
I agree that we should have cheap plentiful power but you will never reach that by harvesting diminishing energy sources(Just look at oil cost over the last 30 years, we have to pay for wars and better refinment techonolgy and off shore drilling just to fill up now).
Ontario does not use oil for power production. Not one erg of energy from your solar panels will offset increases in oil prices, it will just make that worse.
The sun provides virtually unlimited energy in the form of solar and wind and is right outside your front door for the taking.
Not even close. Not at night, not on cloudy days and not when the wind is not blowing. See my detailed analysis on wind here. Wind provides less than 5% of their name plate when demand is within 10% of peak. I plan to do the same thing with solar once the data is available.
When the cost of production gets low enough everyone will be able to purchase solar and battery technology cheaply and harvest free energy for life onsite without distribution, degradation, operational, profit grid upgrades costs etc etc etc. Tell me how you can beat that..
You have no clue what's involved in doing that. First, do you know how many batteries you will need? How much they cost? How long they last? Anwer: Hundreds, hundreds of $ each, less than 6 years.
Also, the retail cost of any product has nothing to do with the cost of production, its all in how much the market will bear. I agree it sucks when you get a 500 dollar hdyro bill after using hydro as sparingly as possible(which I have had several of) but its the price you pay for not producing it yourself. Noone is forcing you to purchase hydro from Hydro One. If you think you pay to much than produce it yourself or live without.
Right, we should all go back to living in the dark ages. This is the cost of producing power in Ontario: Hydro 2.3c, Coal 3-4c, Nukes 5-6c. They are the bulk of our power production (99%). Your "alternatives" will never contribute anything more than token power when we don't need it, and will drive up the cost. Do you know how many turbines would be needed to produce the same power as one nuke plant? Hence there is no excuse for power being expensive,. It's political ideology only that has rates this high.
And being off grid involves balancing your load profile with your generation profile on a continual basis and buffering the descrepancy with a battery storage system. Minimizing battery requirements is implemented with a system of variable technologies and effective load management. Battery techonology is also constantly improving, research Vanadium Redox, these batteries never lose capacity out and can be built incrementally with additions of an electrolyte fluid which is plentiful and safe for the environment.
Your ability to go off line has nothing to do with the technology. It has everything to do with the weather. Your panels have a rated capacity, the only time you will get near that is between 11am and 4pm on sunny July days. At best you might get is 75% name plate output during those hours. Add in some clouds and your output will plumet to less than 25%, add cloudy days and you get nothing. On sunny December days the highest output will be between noon and 2pm. But with the sun so low your output might hit 15% name plate.
Now, the number of panels will be a function of how many batteries you need. Your panels have to not only power your home but charge the batteries at the same time. The number of batteries will depend on how long you want them to power your home. So, in the winter, you have some 4 hours of daylight to power your home and charge your batteries. Those batteries will need to run your home for some 8-10 hours. So right there you will need at least 3 times the number of panels you think you need. Now add in cloudy days, and how many batteries AND panels would you need? Some 10 TIMES the number. It is not uncommon for us to go without the sun for weeks on end in November and December. You could fill your basement with hundreds of batteries and have thousands of square meters of panels, and not be able to deal with that. Then after 6 years or less, all those hundreds of batteries will have to be replaced. Going off grid is a pipe dream, and totally unnecessary in Ontario with our abundant renewable power we have been using for 100 years. But you cannot see that, so you will need to experience this yourself, but in the mean time, don't make us pay for your experment.
Technology is improving and gearing towards this. Stop badmouthing a solid path before researching and weighing all the facts. Our Energy future has a lot more faces than just he cost you pay at end.
This is not a solid path, it's entirely experimental. You don't even have a clue how many panels or batteries you will need until you hit the period you cannot run your home. I go on the physical realities of the situation, you have not provided that because you don't know what that is. I plan to spend time this summer visiting people with panels and getting real hard data on output.
I cannot send you a list as I have not had enough time to compile one over an extended period of time, however all indications including verbal verification from other system owners who have been running longer match research data so I am goin on that. I will gladly submit after one year to help improve your confidence in the system.
Please do. You will be greatly disappointed at your output.